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Old 04-21-2008, 02:09 PM
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Big block swap in foxbody convertable
I was wondering if anyone knows all the little details that i will have to do to swap over my 88 convertable Lx to a 5.8 GT. The car has already been cut and wired for a carberator. The 351m is a 1979 F-350 motor. I already know i have to replace the rear end and convert the car from 4 to 5 lug. The car had a 5 speed in it so i will run a 4 speed behind the 5.8. I don't know any good spots to look for mustang parts so if anyone knows of any let me know.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:39 AM
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I was wondering if anyone knows all the little details that i will have to do to swap over my 88 convertable Lx to a 5.8 GT. The car has already been cut and wired for a carberator. The 351m is a 1979 F-350 motor. I already know i have to replace the rear end and convert the car from 4 to 5 lug. The car had a 5 speed in it so i will run a 4 speed behind the 5.8. I don't know any good spots to look for mustang parts so if anyone knows of any let me know.
This is a very interesting swap. There are a bunch of different articles that have detailed the swap. I guess my first question is why the 351M?

Fox-style Big Block motor mounts will work, but there are no header options. This means custom headers == very $$$.

Why not use a 351W. You'll be into it less when you factor in the headers.

According to my research, someone on StangNet said, "Secondly, the oil pan has to be a rear sump pan. A cleveland pan will fit, but needs some modifying. It'll require cutting and welding a slight half-circle indentation into the forward half."

Here's another excellent post:

"A 351 Modified will cost at least twice as much to build, ending up with an engine that has a narrower power band, lower overall horsepower, and a much higher amount of weight compared to its 302 or Windsor counterparts. And this is all just in relation to the engine itself, not to mention how much work is involved in PROPERLY mounting such a useless beast of an engine in what should be a nimble street or strip performance vehicle like the fox-body.

Is the 351M all bad? NO. This engine can be used efficiently in some towing situations due to its ability to provide decent amounts of torque in a safe way. (When I say “safe”, I am referring to its low stock compression ratio which allows the engine to run at a usable torque level for a long period of time on pump gas.) This power plant can also perform in high or low levels of temperature for extended periods, making it a good economical, truck engine……exactly what ford designed it for.

So to compromise your car and your wallet just to be different would not be recommended to anyone reading this.(For some reason I think the person this reply is actually intended for may have their mind already set on this ridiculous decision though.) If you are someone looking for a good engine to swap into your fox-body, choose a 351w due to its low weight, high horsepower potential, avalibility of aftermarket parts, and parts specifically intended for swap into a fox-body. You will save money and blow the doors off of anyone with a 351 Modified in their sad car, but then again a STOCK 302 will most likely achieve this same feat.

Even if someone has a 351M that they invested the multiples of thousands of dollars it would take to get some horsepower out of it, you can sleep peacefully knowing that just a few bolt-on engine upgrades will allow you to most likely run much faster than any 351M out there.

As far as just doing this to be “different”, you’ll be different alright. You will be one of the only “Swapped-Engine” Fox-Bodies that will be getting passed by stock Camaros……not exactly the type of “different” that I would like to have under my belt, but that is just my opinion. Seriously folks, if you’re considering putting a 351M in a car that just doesn’t want one…don’t , I mean a stock 5.0 will almost certainly out perform this engine in almost every way."
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:22 AM
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I was wondering if anyone knows all the little details that i will have to do to swap over my 88 convertable Lx to a 5.8 GT. The car has already been cut and wired for a carberator. The 351m is a 1979 F-350 motor. I already know i have to replace the rear end and convert the car from 4 to 5 lug. The car had a 5 speed in it so i will run a 4 speed behind the 5.8. I don't know any good spots to look for mustang parts so if anyone knows of any let me know.
The 351M is not considered a desirable engine swap for the Mustang. It is a torque monster, but it's larger size and lack of aftermarket components make the swap both more inexpensive and impractical.

What are your goals with the swap?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:49 PM
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I am putting the 351m because i have it laying around and i have a 78 F250 with a 400m that i have upgraded so i have parts from that to put into the 351. I only payed 250 for the car and it's top is new and there are no rust spots or dents in the car the only thing wrong was i would have had to put the trans in it and it would have drove but why have a mustang without a V8. I know there are better motor's out there to put in the car but the 351m was there and the car was cheap from a collage buddy so why not? I knew that i would have no real header options that's why i port matched the manifolds to my heads. Thanks for the heads up on the oil pan i had not really though about that. As for the thought that a stock camro with beat on me i say bull the motor has a cam,heads,it's 30 over,alum intake,750 holley four barrel. The truck i had it in would smoke the duallys off 2 out of the three gears yes it did have 4.56 gears but it was twice the weight of the mustang. So next time you wan't to tell some one there stuff will suck ask about what is done to the motor. My goal is to make it a 10 secound car and keep it street leagal. I have a everyday driver and a show truck so i need a toy to take to the strip.

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Old 04-30-2008, 09:30 PM
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Hey 88Convert, sounds like you're pretty committed to this swap. That's good. It's going to take some intestinal drive to perform this powerplant swap. I completely understand wanting to use the components that you have on hand. I do the same thing many times myself. You're goals may be a bit lofty with this combination and trying to be a street legal 10 second car. But......we are here to help so let's see if we can help you put together a game plan.

Where are you at with this swap right now? Is the old motor out yet? You indicated that some work has been done to adapt it for to run on a carb. Exactly what mods have you done to this point?
I'm curious, the motor you intend on putting in, how fresh is it? Pretty recent rebuild or is it experienced?
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:31 PM
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Thanks for the support Bobby

The old motor is out and i have relocated the motor mount location on the frame to fit the big block. I just traded the old motor for the front end out of a rear ended 86 cobra. The frame aready has frame conectors. I have all ready striped the interior to start my cage.The car's wiring has all been set up for a carberated motor it had a carberated v-6 in it when i got it.The big block has 60000 total miles but only has 12000 on the rebuild. I am a university of northwestern ohio high proformance student and i am going to build the motor up more in a few classes but for now i am going to run it as is. Right now it's .30 over has a cam not to sure lift and duration one of my friends traded it to me for a ford zf one ton trans he put the cam in it and rebuilt it I put a alum intake and a 750 holley on it. I ported the exhust manifolds. Don't have the money for custom headers right now. Msd box and coil. It has world product alum heads. Thats about it right now.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:25 PM
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You can use World Products heads with cast-iron stock manifolds. What type of heads are these exactly?
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Old 05-17-2008, 02:59 PM
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88convert,

I believe that I'd try to find out a bit more about your cam if you can. It will help you later when you're trying to squeeze a few more horses out of her.

I think that I would approach it much the same way that you are. Get the chassis set up so that you can mount the engine and drivetrain. Then I would worry about the wiring and other stuff.

Sounds like you already have a game plan. If I read your messages right, you're pretty much looking for a good place to pick up decent used or reconditioned parts. I bet if you posted in the classified section of this forum, you'll find someone out there that has the parts you are looking for.
If you get stuck somewhere in the build, you can post a question in the tech section of the forum and get help galore. We have some pretty savvy folks that contribute to the tech forum. And they are really helpful and friendly.

Don't leave us hanging man, keep us up to speed with you build. We're all pulling for you.
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:49 AM
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im not an expert, and ive only built a few motors myself, but im pretty sure your gonna have to know the lift and duration on the cam to match the heads or chance makin an expensive project even more ecpensive. good luck hope it turns out great.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:48 PM
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Any update on this project?
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